and so the frustration is this, think about this, joe, you're the nsa. you're supposedly this all-powerful surveillance agency at this point. you seem to be able to know everything about everybody and cannot say what edward snowden took. what does that mean? they're always behind. they don't know what's coming next. and they don't know what's getting leaked next. they don't know what's coming out next, what they need to be transparent about to look like they're getting out in front of the things. it's been -- there's a fascinating little argument behind the scenes in -- between nsa and the west wing in particular, going, how come you guys can't figure out what edward snowden took. >> james carville, let's move on to politics. >> oh, no, man. me, politics? >> we got a couple polls out. talk first of all, a crazy guy that you know. >> yeah. >> terry mcauliffe. >> in the interest of disclosure i'm a big supporter of his. had a fund-raiser at my house for him. >> well, that is an absolute shock. i never saw that coming. there's a new poll out, and i'm going